Forum Archive Index - March 2004

[nickk@quicksilver.net.nz]

The simplest way to put gambling companies out of business is to stop using 
them.  I am against banning or censoring in almost every form.  If you don't 
like it/use it/condone it or whatever then don't use it and teach those 
around you not to also.  As you said Woody, prohibition only drives a black 
market.  It will exist (no matter what it is) if enough people want it 
(demand).  If there is no demand then it ends. Simple. 

Gooner 

Woody writes: 

> Obviously you are as knowledgeable in the science of statistics as you are
> in the effects of  gambling  on society.
> 99.9% don't have a problem! Hogwash here in Cairns 10% of the population
> have a mild problem with gambling and 4% have a Major problem with gambling.
>     Your argument about cars etc is groundless, unscientific and
> ridiculious.  I have just taught my son to drive a car responsibly, Should I
> now teach him to " Flutter " a pokie equally so? 
> 
> We were being killed by runaway horses, carts, falling out of trees attacked
> by wild animals, dying of common dieases long before the Automobile. The
> form of gambling then was which fly ran up the teepee faster, 
> 
> Here in Cairns we have every pud, every night club, every sports club full
> of pokies that equates to about 30 outlets. The average outlet makes $10,000
> per day  that is by my maths $300,000 PER DAY lost from a community of
> 150,000 locals and about 70,000 transients.     We also have a major Casino
> that made over 10,million dollars last financial year.Add that to the 109
> Million lost in the various outlets here in Cairns and we have 119 Million
> dollars  that equates by my percentages to about 26,000 people losing 119
> Million.
> So obviously my figures are wrong because we have knowledge of only the tip
> of the iceberg BUT your 99.9% means that .1%  or 200 people lost 119 Million
> dollars. So for a population of the said mentioned to lose 119 Million in 12
> Months means that Gambling is a FAR greater problem than our known 14%. What
> sort of intelligent society allows $300,000 per day to be taken from hard
> working citizens 
> 
> WHAT in the hell has a knife, Gun etc got to do with gambling.   I am a Chef
> by trade and I have taught hundreds of apprentices how to use a knife
> correctly a few have hurt themselves but ( here we go again ) 99.9% do not.
> Now should I by your logic teach them how to Gamble responsibly? Show them
> the wonders of a Pokie machine? Hogwash! 
> 
> As a boy I was taught how to use a gun responsibly and have had to on
> several occasions during our revolution to use that knowledge> As ugly as it
> was that knowledge saved my life and the life of others. How will the
> knowledge of using a pokie ever equate to positive, useful energy. 
> 
> Yes you are right alcohol is a far more serious problem, I personally would
> have no problem with prohibition, but society here in the Western world has
> an intrenched alcohol culture. Take it away and you would drive it
> underground.
> However drive gambling underground and society would lose far less. 
> 
> Sorry Karyn there is no argument you the majority have already won it is the
> poor loser on the pokies losing 119Million that has lost. As the French say
> Bon Chance! with your thoughts Karyn and may your God bless you 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karyn W" <karyn_in_oz@hotmail.com>
> To: <sharechat@sharechat.co.nz>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:46 AM
> Subject: [sharechat] Gambling and other BAD things 
> 
> 
>> If you follow the logic of this argument then society should:
>> (1) Ban all cars and other vehicles, as thousands of people every year are
>> killed or maimed in vehicular accidents.  This causes more damage to
>> families than a weekly flutter on a pokie machine or lotto ticket.
>> (2) Ban all forms of drugs and alcohol, as this causes more damage to
> people
>> and families by fuelling domestic violence, street violence, drink driving
>> etc.  More people suffer from the effects of alcohol addiction than
> gambling
>> related problems.
>> (3) Ban all forms of guns, knives, baseball bats, hammers, gardening
>> implements - anything that can be used as a weapon.  Obviously these
>> dangerous items should not be trusted to ordinary people to make a
> rational
>> decision as to how to use them... like gambling, they may lose total
> control
>> over their actions and go on to commit criminal acts, placing their
> families
>> in jeopardy!!! 
>>
>> At the end of the day gambling is a form of entertainment.  People have
> been
>> indulging in this form of entertainment since time began.  99.9% of people
>> dont have a problem with it.  The fact a few do does not make it something
>> that should be banned.  You can choose to spend your money on a beer in a
>> pub, a movie ticket, or put it into the pokie machine.  None of them has
> any
>> lasting value to you - however a proportion of the money you spend
> gambling
>> will go to a charity, the money you spend on alcohol, food, clothing,
>> movies, sports events - will not. 
>>
>> Karyn 
>>
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