Forum Archive Index - May 2003

["Dave Missen" <d.tackle@xtra.co.nz>]

Consider the price of a small bottle of water from the service station here
in Godzone - well over the price of twice the quantity of gas.

Re converting animal waste to energy - very sound theory, takes care of
unemployment also with troops of pooper scoopers following around behind the
animals - cost of energy definitely a factor, especially under the current
employment legislation.

My guess is that Jim is just trying to bypass the animals by developing high
energy plant material to power the nation, easier to harvest but about 20x
the volume required for the same energy content.

Economically it is probably best that we stick with wind, rain and fire
(solar style), we already know this technology.  Can use coal and oil fired
stations to meet shortfalls but need to ensure maintenance is planned so
that if long range forecast says no water for hydro, the carbon based
alternatives are actually ready to go.

The real problem faced at present stems from a lack of prudent reinvestment
in the resource base and infrastructure, bit like TransRail isn't it?

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Cameron" <malharcameron@hotmail.com>
To: <sharechat@sharechat.co.nz>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [sharechat] Genesis reply to snoopy


> To Snoopy & Mc Dunk water is going to be dearer than petrol per gallonin
the
> very near future in some parts of the world it already is. One of the
fuels
> of the future is going to be produced from human waste. Just like animal
> waste powers farms & farm machinery now.Plants that have a dual purpose
will
> be a very good possibility. Food and the waste used for fuel take sugar
cane
> sugar for food and use the waste left over for other purposes even if it
is
> to power a boiler to produce electricity
>
> Malcolm
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> >From: "tennyson@caverock.net.nz" <tennyson@caverock.net.nz>
> >Reply-To: sharechat@sharechat.co.nz
> >To: sharechat@sharechat.co.nz
> >Subject: Re: [sharechat] Genesis reply to snoopy
> >Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:01:26 +1200
> >
> >Hi Macdunk,
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I had better explain why Jims Idea or merely his
> > > thoughts on alternative fuel from plants will never be practical.
> > > Lets suppose Jim cracks it and produces fuel from plants which I do
> > > think likely, it is the cost that kills it . We now pay tax on a
> > > gallon of fuel, where will that come from?.  We do need the farmland
> > > to feed the the populace of the world as it is without trying to add
> > > fuel to the equation.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >I see your point, but I wonder if you are fully up to date as to where we
> >are with this technology now?   Producing fuel from plants is something
> >that has been done on a commercial scale for over 20 years.   There is
> >no problem for Jim to crack.  Brazil already has an extensive alcohol
> >fuelled fleet.   Closer to home, and across the ditch, BP has been
selling
> >'petrol' with 10% plant ethanol content to Australians for a year.  The
> >ethanol is a by product of Queensland sugar cane.
> >
> >The point here is I don't think we are looking at an either/or question.
> >Ethanol can and has been blended into petrol already, and the
> >Australian government is still collecting the tax from fuel sales.
> >
> >And where is the 'spare land' going to come from to grow this energy?
> >From the productivity improvements on the food side of things which
> >means less land is needed for that!
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > >The greatest source of power is under our noses in water.
> > > The hydrogen in one gallon of water will drive the family car
> > > further than a gallon of petrol.
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >Don't think you'll be running your can on water any time soon!
> >Hydrogen from fuel cell technology perhaps, but that is even further up
> >the road of commercial viability than Jim's dreams.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I dont mind If Jim experiments with other
> > > peoples money as long as it is not mine on a venture like that.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >History has shown that R&D is useful in the medium term.    And
> >Genesis is a company that works on a time horizon of years and
> >decades, not months.    I like to think that I think long term.   But
> >putting
> >on my investors hard hat GEN is too speculative even for me.    I am
> >quite happy to let Dr Alan Freeth from WRI manage my indirect
> >investment in GEN on my behalf however.
> >
> >SNOOPY
> >
> >discl: hold WRI
> >
> >
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> >
> >           --
> >Message sent by Snoopy
> >on Pegasus Mail version 4.02
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> >"Dogs have big tongues, so you can bet they don't
> >bite them by accident"
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