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[sharechat] PEs and PEGs


From: "David Reid" <aspex@ix.net.nz>
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:33:48 +1300


You lot are not repsonding  so you must already know it all.
(That'll get them going  , he says in Saturday night wine induced euphoria)
the next is from  MICHAEL SIVY . The italics are by me
 

SIVY ON STOCKS from money.com
October 9, 2000

Investing for growth

Every portfolio needs a healthy dose of growth. Finding it is easy -- here's how to not overpay for it.

By Michael Sivy

Stock prices follow earnings. In fact, over a long stretch of time, rising corporate profits are the only force that can keep share prices moving higher. Investors may pay up for the earnings of a popular company, which boosts the price/earnings ratio. But while rising P/Es can lift stocks for a few years, there's a limit to how high they can go.
As a result, growth investing, or seeking out companies with above-average earnings growth, should be a key part of your strategy. It's also the simplest approach to the stock market.
Historically, the S&P 500 has returned around 12% a year. So if you can find a company with earnings growing faster than that, the stock will eventually outpace the market -- provided its earnings come through as expected and that the stock was fairly priced to begin with.
What's a fair price? P/E ratios and price/cash-flow ratios are the most common measures of how expensive a stock is. A lot of factors influence P/Es, including interest rates, the company's track record and the industry it's in. But one reliable tool is to compare a company's P/E to its projected earnings growth. Ideally, you don't want to buy at a P/E much more than the growth rate, and in a normal stock market, there are plenty of such bargains. But over the past five years, they have become harder and harder to find.
Today most high-quality companies with double-digit earnings growth have P/Es that are at least 1.5 times their growth rate (that is a PEG of 1.50, which is too high for a start. You should be thinking of selling out of many companies between 1.50 and 2.00). For example, shares of a company with 14% earnings growth would trade at a P/E of 21 or higher. If you're interested in the most popular growth stocks, you may have to grit your teeth and pay even more -- P/Es that are double the growth rates, for instance. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Hold off on buying stocks that are trading at P/Es more than 2.5 times their growth rates, no matter how good the companies are. When a stock with a P/E that high stumbles, its shares drop like a rock.

If you can get a stock at a PEG of 0.6 Example PE of 12 and a growth rate of 20% for each of the next two years, go for it.Remember Sivy is talking about the US market with an average PE that I believe is over 20. NZ. Australia and UK are below these levels.

Some of your best bargains will be found at the opposite end of the spectrum, with companies that have earnings growth around 12%. With those stocks you may want to add in the dividend yield to get a total return estimate. For instance, a stock with 11% growth and a 3% yield might really be able to return a total of 14%. Getting a stock like that for a P/E below 20 could be a great deal.
For some stocks -- particularly industrial companies -- cash flow provides another reliable benchmark for value. You can find the amount of cash a company generates each year listed in brokerage reports or other standard research sources, such as the Value Line Investment Survey (some firms also report EBITDA, a similar measure). When a stock is selling at less than 10 times cash flow per share, it may well be a compelling value.
Whichever spot on the growth spectrum you favor, remember that the key to long-term profits is consistency. Companies with above-average growth that you can buy and hold indefinitely are the most valuable additions to your portfolio. Since commissions and other fees are a significant drag on returns for individual investors, the less often you buy and sell, the less you have to think about expenses. In addition, if you don't trade much, you won't have to worry about mistakes in your timing.

David Reid

 
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